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Verifying Worship Information

I'm taking it upon myself to make sure that the information in our worship table is correct. I'll be recording raw data from my experiments here. Waite 14:27, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks so very much, Waite, for working on this! Ummm, are you sure that Shizaga steals pracs when training? Thanks! --Dave Garber 15:03, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

Pretty sure shz is bad for adepting. I'll find out for sure soon enough. My hypothesis is that worship messes with your "effective int" in terms of practicing. So, if you're a cen mag shz, when you practice you'll still adept in three, because having one less int doesn't move you into the "adept in 4" int range. Waite 18:31, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

Probably going to be difficult to test this due to the general lack of Qxl characters, but I'm pretty sure that Qxl no longer has the xp gain penalty. People hated that it had both an xp penalty and the triple death penalty, so the xp penalty went. --Neyne 12:55, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

I agree that it'll be tough. Exp gained is one of the facets of worship that I won't be able to verify, simply because the same mobs provide less exp as you kill them over and over. The only way to verify these numbers will be to run with groupies who have experience counters, and compare the results at the end of the run. Hopefully you're right about qxl exp gained, as it is now there seems to be an awful lot of red in his column... Waite 16:16, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

Liewellyn (dragon cleric) just went shz for lowhero based on some data here. He checked regen before and after for mana, and was same. Hp regen was reduced like suggested in table. Heals and divs were both -10% for inclass healing (cleric) and not +10% for inclass like suggested, confirm/update table please? --Laventish 04:28, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

Confirmed the healing penalty with Uan (lizard cleric) a while ago. I confronted an imm (I believe it was Cerdwyn) because Pantheon Courtyard indicates that Shizaga does help healers. "She speaks of the clerics Shizaga has gained, miffed that only the mages think they are the chosen followers. In return for the clerics devotion, Shizaga long ago touched them with her healing grace." Cerdwyn hinted that Shizaga helps healers in other ways than hit points healed, but I have not yet determined what that means.--Neyne 15:47, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

Just changed shizaga's healing bonus per your results. Thanks for posting them here. It's a shame that you had to figure this out with a dragon :/ BTW, at some point in the past I was told by an imm that this chart is "wrong in multiple places". Hence my (stalled) project of verifying the info. One of these days when I'm not quite as busy I'll get back to work on it... Waite 15:02, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

Anecdotal evidence suggests that Gorn neither helps nor hinders archery damage. Anyone know for sure?--Neyne 17:53, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

I ran an athiest mage with one worshipping Bhyss. On more than one occassion, we had multiple successive rounds in which we cast disint at the exact same time. Leads me to believe that Bhyss doesn't have a spell lag penalty, or at least doesn't for damage spells. If anyone definitively proves I'm wrong, feel free to edit/flame. :) --Neyne 01:39, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

i'm running a qxl sor through now and i've been checking spell costs - i don't think qxl affects spell cost at all (wiki currently says +5%). not sure about lag yet, testing that as well... --3nki 16:13, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

HP Regen

This data was collected by repeatedly killing a lvl 10 hum war and watching him regen. I was quite surprised by how much the numbers varied, but I repeated the process enough times that I'm confident these numbers are correct.

Deity HP:tick
ath 29
bhy 26
dur 29
grn 24
kra 24
qxl 23
rxa 29
shz 24
tor 30
tul 34
wer 29

Death costs

Same alt, lvl 10 hum war

deity tnl before death exp loss
ath 614 386
bhy 807 72
dur 173 433
grn 606 216
kra 216 588
qxl 135 1296
rxa 199 720
shz 104 448
tor 552 212
tul 764 118
wer 602 199


This test was performed with a lvl 10 drw cle, who had 20(23) int

Deity 1st prac 2nd prac 3rd prac 4th prac 5th prac
ath 39 67 90 95
bhy 37 63 84 95
dur 40 68 92 95
grn 46 77 95
kra 35 60 81 95
qxl 31 54 74 91 95
rxa 39 67 90 95
shz 37 63 84 95
tor 35 60 81 95
tul 39 67 90 95
wer 37 63 84 95

Spell Cost

Same alt, lvl 10 drw cle. Comparing costs of prayer

Deity cost
ath 31
bhy 27
dur 31
grn 32
kra 31
qxl 32
rxa 31
shz 29
tor 34
tul 31
wer 34

Verified Quixoltan spell cost penalty. Cen Qxl costs 96mana for enchant, athiest/kra/roix cost 90.

Rogue Skills

Does anyone know if worship modifies chance of success with rogue skills? pick lock, etc.--3nki 11:32, 2 January 2013 (EST)

So, I think Tor does nothing for HP gains. Pre tor, my kzn rog got 7-9 for hp gains... now they still do. Also should be noted that the mana gains have gone down, but I still get 2 max, only less frequently.

I'm starting to think that Quixoltan does not actually help with mana gains. I've got a Centaur Mage worshipping Quixoltan that averages less than 7 mana per level at lowmort, with a TON of 3 mana gains. Seems low for a god that is supposed to help mana gains.--Kerdor 11:43, 7 January 2007 (CST)

This sort of thing will be hard to verify, but I can add some evidence in favor of your assertion. When I first became a lord I went qxl for genesis. After multiple tries I ended up with great hp, but only average mana. Waite

Perhaps it might be worth having Lordcouncil/Immortals look into improving Quixoltan, either by increasing benefits; or removing weaknesses; as right now there is little reason to worship Quixoltan. --Kerdor 11:12, 8 January 2007 (CST)

Tinkered around with open hand damage. The ones that weakened were obvious, but only Gorn produced an easy to see difference. I was testing with a level 12 monk though, so not sure if I was getting a large enough spread. The ones that looked the same were Qxl, Rxa, Shz, Tor, Wer --Masamune 20:35, 10 January 2007 (CST)

Hope I got this right. Qxl spells are 57 tics in duration (tested on Fly), Shiz is 50, Kra/Athiest is 48. 20%>Athiest (Edited main worship page) --Kerdor 17:59, 11 January 2007 (CST)

More Misc Qxl stuff. 34 int (max for Hero Cen Stm Qxl) - takes 3 to adept. 52, then 86, then 95%. --Kerdor 20:23, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Played with rogue damage with a human rogue, using sneak attack. I worsened a couple of the gods, since I noticed Bhy and Qxl were slightly worse, but not as bad as Grn. --Masamune 21:31, 16 January 2007 (CST)

I didn't even know gods modified this, but Shizaga appears to have a reduced xp penalty for fleeing. Two hero characters, one shz one athiest, fled a couple times from the same mob: the shz lost ~30 each time, the ath lost ~60 each time. Weird.--Neyne 01:25, 31 August 2007 (CDT)

Just noticed on a lowmort liz mag. Qxl gave 4 pracs on level while no worship gave 6.-Rhodie August 08

I thought all gods still would occasionally weaken, even if they have good responses? --Arcano 15:10, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

After worshipping Gorn, my toss fail lag went from 5 rounds to 3. I'm guessing this is because toss is a monk skill. --Llanor 20:15, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

The worship page displays Bhyss as giving worse mana gains when leveling, but the cell's background is light blue. I'm not 100% on it being better mana gains, so I'm going to leave it alone for somebody who knows for sure to change it or post which is the case here.--Slowdraw 21:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

from discussions in mud, bhy only gives a slight bump to mana gains when devoted due to the extra int point. not sure how to reference that in the chart, maybe "better" and light blue with a foot note explaining that you need to be devoted to see a benefit?--3nki 00:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I would mark it as "same". Devotion stats are handled on a separate page. I think we all understand that extra int yields more mana, extra con more hp, extra str more HR/DR, etc. No need to complicate the worship table with this information. Waite 14:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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