Talk:Worship

Verifying Worship Information

I'm taking it upon myself to make sure that the information in our worship table is correct. I'll be recording raw data from my experiments here. Waite 14:27, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks so very much, Waite, for working on this! Ummm, are you sure that Shizaga steals pracs when training? Thanks! --Dave Garber 15:03, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

Pretty sure shz is bad for adepting. I'll find out for sure soon enough. My hypothesis is that worship messes with your "effective int" in terms of practicing. So, if you're a cen mag shz, when you practice you'll still adept in three, because having one less int doesn't move you into the "adept in 4" int range. Waite 18:31, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

Probably going to be difficult to test this due to the general lack of Qxl characters, but I'm pretty sure that Qxl no longer has the xp gain penalty. People hated that it had both an xp penalty and the triple death penalty, so the xp penalty went. --Neyne 12:55, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

I agree that it'll be tough. Exp gained is one of the facets of worship that I won't be able to verify, simply because the same mobs provide less exp as you kill them over and over. The only way to verify these numbers will be to run with groupies who have experience counters, and compare the results at the end of the run. Hopefully you're right about qxl exp gained, as it is now there seems to be an awful lot of red in his column... Waite 16:16, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

Liewellyn (dragon cleric) just went shz for lowhero based on some data here. He checked regen before and after for mana, and was same. Hp regen was reduced like suggested in table. Heals and divs were both -10% for inclass healing (cleric) and not +10% for inclass like suggested, confirm/update table please? --Laventish 04:28, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

Confirmed the healing penalty with Uan (lizard cleric) a while ago. I confronted an imm (I believe it was Cerdwyn) because Pantheon Courtyard indicates that Shizaga does help healers. "She speaks of the clerics Shizaga has gained, miffed that only the mages think they are the chosen followers. In return for the clerics devotion, Shizaga long ago touched them with her healing grace." Cerdwyn hinted that Shizaga helps healers in other ways than hit points healed, but I have not yet determined what that means.--Neyne 15:47, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

Just changed shizaga's healing bonus per your results. Thanks for posting them here. It's a shame that you had to figure this out with a dragon :/ BTW, at some point in the past I was told by an imm that this chart is "wrong in multiple places". Hence my (stalled) project of verifying the info. One of these days when I'm not quite as busy I'll get back to work on it... Waite 15:02, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

Anecdotal evidence suggests that Gorn neither helps nor hinders archery damage. Anyone know for sure?--Neyne 17:53, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

I ran an athiest mage with one worshipping Bhyss. On more than one occassion, we had multiple successive rounds in which we cast disint at the exact same time. Leads me to believe that Bhyss doesn't have a spell lag penalty, or at least doesn't for damage spells. If anyone definitively proves I'm wrong, feel free to edit/flame. :) --Neyne 01:39, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

i'm running a qxl sor through now and i've been checking spell costs - i don't think qxl affects spell cost at all (wiki currently says +5%). not sure about lag yet, testing that as well... --3nki 16:13, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

HP Regen

This data was collected by repeatedly killing a lvl 10 hum war and watching him regen. I was quite surprised by how much the numbers varied, but I repeated the process enough times that I'm confident these numbers are correct.

Deity	HP:tick
ath	29
bhy	26
dur	29
grn	24
kra	24
qxl	23
rxa	29
shz	24
tor	30
tul	34
wer	29

Death costs

Same alt, lvl 10 hum war

deity	tnl before death	exp loss
ath	614	386
bhy	807	72
dur	173	433
grn	606	216
kra	216	588
qxl	135	1296
rxa	199	720
shz	104	448
tor	552	212
tul	764	118
wer	602	199

Practicing

This test was performed with a lvl 10 drw cle, who had 20(23) int

Deity	1st prac	2nd prac	3rd prac	4th prac	5th prac
ath	39	67	90	95
bhy	37	63	84	95
dur	40	68	92	95
grn	46	77	95
kra	35	60	81	95
qxl	31	54	74	91	95
rxa	39	67	90	95
shz	37	63	84	95
tor	35	60	81	95
tul	39	67	90	95
wer	37	63	84	95

Spell Cost

Same alt, lvl 10 drw cle. Comparing costs of prayer

Deity	cost
ath	31
bhy	27
dur	31
grn	32
kra	31
qxl	32
rxa	31
shz	29
tor	34
tul	31
wer	34

Verified Quixoltan spell cost penalty. Cen Qxl costs 96mana for enchant, athiest/kra/roix cost 90.

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So, I think Tor does nothing for HP gains. Pre tor, my kzn rog got 7-9 for hp gains... now they still do. Also should be noted that the mana gains have gone down, but I still get 2 max, only less frequently.

I'm starting to think that Quixoltan does not actually help with mana gains. I've got a Centaur Mage worshipping Quixoltan that averages less than 7 mana per level at lowmort, with a TON of 3 mana gains. Seems low for a god that is supposed to help mana gains.--Kerdor 11:43, 7 January 2007 (CST)

This sort of thing will be hard to verify, but I can add some evidence in favor of your assertion. When I first became a lord I went qxl for genesis. After multiple tries I ended up with great hp, but only average mana. Waite

Perhaps it might be worth having Lordcouncil/Immortals look into improving Quixoltan, either by increasing benefits; or removing weaknesses; as right now there is little reason to worship Quixoltan. --Kerdor 11:12, 8 January 2007 (CST)

Tinkered around with open hand damage. The ones that weakened were obvious, but only Gorn produced an easy to see difference. I was testing with a level 12 monk though, so not sure if I was getting a large enough spread. The ones that looked the same were Qxl, Rxa, Shz, Tor, Wer --Masamune 20:35, 10 January 2007 (CST)

Hope I got this right. Qxl spells are 57 tics in duration (tested on Fly), Shiz is 50, Kra/Athiest is 48. 20%>Athiest (Edited main worship page) --Kerdor 17:59, 11 January 2007 (CST)

More Misc Qxl stuff. 34 int (max for Hero Cen Stm Qxl) - takes 3 to adept. 52, then 86, then 95%. --Kerdor 20:23, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Played with rogue damage with a human rogue, using sneak attack. I worsened a couple of the gods, since I noticed Bhy and Qxl were slightly worse, but not as bad as Grn. --Masamune 21:31, 16 January 2007 (CST)

I didn't even know gods modified this, but Shizaga appears to have a reduced xp penalty for fleeing. Two hero characters, one shz one athiest, fled a couple times from the same mob: the shz lost ~30 each time, the ath lost ~60 each time. Weird.--Neyne 01:25, 31 August 2007 (CDT)

Just noticed on a lowmort liz mag. Qxl gave 4 pracs on level while no worship gave 6.-Rhodie August 08

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I thought all gods still would occasionally weaken, even if they have good responses? --Arcano 15:10, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

After worshipping Gorn, my toss fail lag went from 5 rounds to 3. I'm guessing this is because toss is a monk skill. --Llanor 20:15, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

The worship page displays Bhyss as giving worse mana gains when leveling, but the cell's background is light blue. I'm not 100% on it being better mana gains, so I'm going to leave it alone for somebody who knows for sure to change it or post which is the case here.--Slowdraw 21:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

from discussions in mud, bhy only gives a slight bump to mana gains when devoted due to the extra int point. not sure how to reference that in the chart, maybe "better" and light blue with a foot note explaining that you need to be devoted to see a benefit?--3nki 00:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I would mark it as "same". Devotion stats are handled on a separate page. I think we all understand that extra int yields more mana, extra con more hp, extra str more HR/DR, etc. No need to complicate the worship table with this information. Waite 14:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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