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== File upload broken ==
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Attempts to upload a PNG image file (map of Rise of Typhus) fail and gives the error message: [ac9504a2] 2019-07-18 05:13:14: Fatal exception of type "MWException"
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== Broken voting link for Mud Connector (TMC) ==
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Cannot fix this link because of "spam protection," according to the wiki. The same link has also been broken for a long time on the main Avatar website. The correct link is in the Updates sidebar on the main website – unfortunately "spam protection" also prevents me from showing it here. --[[User:3nki|3nki]] ([[User talk:3nki|talk]]) 09:48, 23 May 2019 (EDT)
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== New wiki user account creation ==
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hi, not sure if anyone reads this page anymore but... the new user creation screen CAPTCHA is broken, which prevents anyone creating a new account. something about v1 being deprecated. saw a request in game of someone wanting to make an account--[[User:3nki|3nki]] ([[User talk:3nki|talk]]) 19:52, 29 January 2019 (EST)
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== BUG ALERT ==
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If there is a way to change the default time period for the Recent Changes page to make it longer, say 30 days, that should at least help the problem of the error showing when there are no changes in that period.--[[User:3nki|3nki]] ([[User talk:3nki|talk]]) 22:57, 11 August 2016 (EDT)
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The sidebar links are broken for "Recent Changes" and "Related Changes", which give ERROR 404 - Not Found!.--[[User:3nki|3nki]] ([[User talk:3nki|talk]]) 16:48, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
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I think that happens when there are no 'Recent Changes' to show. Haven't checked the Related changes link before; so not sure on that one
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--[[User:Kerd|Kerd]] ([[User talk:Kerd|talk]]) 21:02, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
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Something odd going on – all pages of the wiki have some message appearing at the top. Anyone have any ideas? It's a long line of text, something from ReCaptcha.php line 54.
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--[[User:3nki|3nki]] 00:46, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
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: I emailed Waite a couple of days ago, quoting the bug text, but no response yet.  They do tend to get snowed under by masses of work, and I did mention the bug appeared to be cosmetic only, so when it will get fixed - I have no idea.  Hopefully, it isn't symptomatic of something more serious.  --[[User:Qismat|Qismat]] 10:37, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
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: This should be fixed now.  Let me know if any other problems crop up. [[User:Waite|Waite]] 17:15, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
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== Orphaned pages ==
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looking at [[:Special:LonelyPages|Orphaned pages]]. i'm figuring i'll fix a few every so often, maybe we can gradually clean it up and also increase cross-linking between pages. one thing i can't see how to do however is [[:Category:Delete|delete pages]]--[[User:3nki|3nki]] 02:47, 14 May 2014 (EDT)
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:The category system/format we are using guarantees vast numbers of apparently orphaned files.  The majority of mobs, items and quests are only linked to their area via category links - which do not count as far as the orphan list is concerned.  We would need to add lists to the area page in order to make any real dent in the orphan list.  --[[User:Qismat|Qismat]] 10:46, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
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== Facelifting the main page ==
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Does anyone have any objections to replacing the main page with [[User:WinterRose/Draft|a facelift]]? Please respond either here or on the [[User_talk:WinterRose/Draft|talk page]] with any suggestions or improvements needed before going live. Thank you! [[User:WinterRose|WinterRose]] 13:40, 14 October 2012 (EDT)
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: The current layout of the main page replacement as seen [[User:WinterRose/Draft|here]] is more or less in the final stage. I've received positive comments from half a dozen people in-game and some suggestions that resulted in modifications, so this version is the result of all that. Does anyone have any further suggestions on how to make it more appealing to new players? [[User:WinterRose|WinterRose]] 04:58, 15 October 2012 (EDT)
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== Signing your entries in talk pages ==
 
== Signing your entries in talk pages ==
 
I'm not sure where the best place to put this is, but I want to remind everybody to sign their entries in talk pages, two dashes followed by 4 tildes '<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>' or just click the button that is second from the right on the top of the edit box. --[[User:Mel|Mel]] 10:15, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
I'm not sure where the best place to put this is, but I want to remind everybody to sign their entries in talk pages, two dashes followed by 4 tildes '<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>' or just click the button that is second from the right on the top of the edit box. --[[User:Mel|Mel]] 10:15, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)
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::It works really well! just add one colon (:) at the start of the lines more than the previous reply had! --[[User:MooNFisH|Llanor]] 17:30, 5 February 2007 (CST)
 
::It works really well! just add one colon (:) at the start of the lines more than the previous reply had! --[[User:MooNFisH|Llanor]] 17:30, 5 February 2007 (CST)
  
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== Top Mud Sites ==
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== Spam or Bot Accounts ==
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Is there a requirement to link to top mud sites main page?  If not why are we doing it?  We don't link anything other than outland.org that prominantly other avatar related sites are on a differnt page, we don't even really have a precedent linking non-avatar sites except in user pages. Although I encourge the sentiment of having people vote for Avatar, I don't agree with displaying it so promenintly. But in a fit of moderator modesty I'm asking people to discuss it and not just making a change myself! --[[User:Mel|Mel]] 21:27, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)
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i guess it's just something to live with.. but it seems there's another bout of bot account creation.. sorry if there's somewhere else i should post regarding this. --[[User:3nki|3nki]] 00:22, 10 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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:I like the idea of having a link users can click on to vote for Avatar right on the main page. Here's my main reasons:
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:There are only so many 2-letter names they can register. Does registering require an email check? That might slow it down. [[User:WinterRose|WinterRose]] 07:21, 10 October 2011 (CDT)
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:*voting is important: it gets new people to try our mud
 
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:*people fail to vote not because they hate avatar, but because they forget.
 
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:*The official avatar website links to us right off their main page, so it's nice of us return the favor.
 
  
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::The outland.org layout probably doesn't do the best job of reminding people to vote.  The vote button is off to the side, and you have to scroll down a ways to see it.  Plus, who goes to outland.org all that frequently anyways?  I know the only reason I go there is to see how quickly the AvatarWiki is climbing the "Top Web Links" :).  Our site, on the other hand, gets a lot of repeat visits because it has a lot of useful information.  So if every time someone visits the wiki they have a small chance of being reminded to vote, and we make it easy for them to do so, then I think we're doing something positive.  That being said, I don't think that we need to link to the front page of TopMudSites. Who bothers to go there anyways, other than when they're voting?  Just people who are looking for a new mud to try, I guess.  I doubt many of the people who come to our site are looking to find a new mud to play. --[[User:Waite|Waite]] 12:46, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)
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all these apparently random letter and number mixed names lately are most likely spam bots, it seems to me, or bots of some kind. not sure what their goal is. --[[User:3nki|3nki]] 20:28, 12 January 2012 (CST)
  
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:::Can we leave the voting link and get rid of the link to their main page?--[[User:Mel|Mel]] 14:33, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)
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Most likely they want to boost the pagerank of their crappy website by linking to it from here.  We've all but disabled external links though, so they don't get very far.  I'm not too concerned about them creating accounts, but let me know if they ever cause any more serious mischief.  [[User:Waite|Waite]] 09:56, 13 January 2012 (EST)
  
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::::I just figured that, if someone was curious about what Top Mud Sites was, then they could click the link and take a look for themselves. I didn't imagine that this might be a problem but I can see some merit to what you're saying here.  I'm with Waite here on leaving the voting link, at least, for sake of convenience. I'd have no complaints about removing this link to their main page.  In fact, since I added it, perhaps I'll go ahead and (tentatively) remove it. If anyone wants it back, then, well, there's still plenty of room here for debate. ::::--[[User:DaveGarber1975|Dave Garber]] 15:30, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)
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== Style sheets ==
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I do a lot of style sheet and web programming for my work and I've thought of making a general style sheet for the wiki. My idea is (something like this anyway) that we inventory what we need, what kind of titles and headlines and various types of elements, tables and so on, for all the pages on the AV wiki. Then we make a stylesheet that incorporates all the commonalties on a base level (like font type, base size, site wide stuff) and also has a set of classes for people to reference as needed in specific situations. That way we have something everyone uses for consistency. If we want to change it we can, but it will be consistent. Of course we'd add to it as we go.. what does everyone think? There must be a way to include a reference to this style sheet in every page of the wiki automatically. --[[User:3nki|3nki]] 02:03, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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== Creating new pages ==
 
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(Sorry if you don't like that I deleted all the discussion from before on this subject, but you were talking nonsense.) In the Search box, type the exact title you wish to use for your wiki page and press 'Go'. If this page doesn't exist yet, the option 'Create This Page' will be clearly visible after you've pressed 'Go'. Click that. Wow, it's that simple. --[[User:MooNFisH|Llanor]] 17:17, 5 February 2007 (CST)
 
  
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== Contact Information ==
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There sure is.  In the parlance of MediaWiki, these are called skins.  You can actually use a different skin without affecting anyone else: go to "my preferences" (in the upper right) and then Appearances.  I'm reluctant to drastically change the appearance of our wiki (mostly because I don't want to deal with the complaints) but if you come up with something nice I'm willing to have an open mind.  [[User:Waite|Waite]] 08:50, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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It may be helpful to provide some means of contacting those folks in charge of this site.
 
  
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:Also, I recently posted a table of quick ways to increase one's gold supply, which I and others have found handy. I titled this article [[Treasure-Hunting]] and put it under the Miscellaneous category.  I was wondering if perhaps there was a better name for it, a more appropriate place to put it, a better way to organize its content, or a better way to integrate it with the rest of the site.  Or if it's just dandy like it is.  Anyway...
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interesting - trying out skins now. there's one called MySkin so i guess there's a way to edit that somewhere.--[[User:3nki|3nki]] 19:35, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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::Well contacting Waite or I is a perfectly reasonable idea, but don't worry so much about what you think is right and what you think is wrong. This is a Wiki, the very idea is that everybody participates, and if somebody thinks something should be moved, they move it. I think you chose the perfect location for the page, and I think it's great. --[[User:Mel|Mel]] 17:51, 5 May 2005 (EDT)
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== Creating new pages ==
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(Sorry if you don't like that I deleted all the discussion from before on this subject, but you were talking nonsense.) In the Search box, type the exact title you wish to use for your wiki page and press 'Go'. If this page doesn't exist yet, the option 'Create This Page' will be clearly visible after you've pressed 'Go'. Click that. Wow, it's that simple. --[[User:MooNFisH|Llanor]] 17:17, 5 February 2007 (CST)
  
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:::If you really want to contact a user of this wiki, just edit their talk page.
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== Naming Convention ==
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*(If this is covered somewhere else please let me know where.)
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What is the naming convention? Every word for titles (items, rooms, mobs, etc.) has its first letter capitalized, right? Even connectors like A, I, If, Or, Of, etc. "Mega's Spark In A Bottle", not "Mega's Spark in a Bottle"... or the in-game way it's spelled, "mega's Spark in a Bottle". --[[User:3nki|3nki]] 22:25, 27 September 2011 (CDT)
  
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== Mass Confusion ==
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[[Contributing]] has a section about naming. --[[User:Ylem|Ylem]] 23:12, 27 September 2011 (CDT)
  
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I don't mean to put a damper on the momentum that I see this website generating, but with that momentum come some problems. As an example, take a look at the category [[Lowmort 1-10 gear]]. I've just spent some time working on updating that category, but there are still some glaring problems. Muddy boots don't provide +1 dexterity, they provide -1 dexterity, making them useless. Neither those boots nor the goblin boots of fleeing are very good for use at this level. Fur-lined boots are much better and provide a small amount of bonus armor. Yes, I know, I could just add it, but let me continue. The golden unicorn horn (in the offhand slot) is a weapon, and unless you have dual, which nobody gets before level 10, using a weapon in your offhand is pretty useless. A shield would be more useful there. Any shield. For the held slot, the orb of knowledge is missing. Most true newbies (no alts, no spells, not perfect gear) won't be able to get a red eyed jewel until at least level 15 or so, therefore the orb of knowledge is still a good item to list. As for the other gear listed at the bottom there, blue lizard tongues no longer exist and buck skin gloves are listed twice. Then there is a matter of all the items not yet listed which would be useful (the other 'enchanted' weapons besides longswords, the idiot crown, and the pixie crossbow, for instance) or even the items that would be nice to have for the sake of completeness, and the fact that almost every page has different formatting. It's just not feasible for everyone to try to organize things as they see fit without any thought to future organization. It's one thing to say 'if you don't like something, fix it, but things are getting to be a real mess.
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== Contact Information ==
  
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When I first saw this page go up, I thought it was a really awesome idea. I still think it's a great idea, but I think it could use some more moderation. To compare this to what was formerly Aejase, here there is the potential for far more information, but the information there was more accurate and far better organized. This also has the potential to be well organized, but the implementors need to step in and moderate what's being written in here. At the very least, it would be great if all if the information was checked for accuracy and formatted the same way. Perhaps there could be a page at the top of each category entitled 'template.' This way, a default format can be set for areas, gear pages, mob pages, and whatever else is going to be stored here. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to flame this site, it makes great strides toward storing information about Avatar in an organized, collected, secure and open manner. I just don't want to see it become abandoned because people get frustrated by some of the innacurate entries and poorly organized categories that exist.
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-Ilthik, July 19th 2005
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:If you really want to contact a user of this wiki, just edit their talk page.
  
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:Hi Ilthik (and the rest),<br>
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:<p>Thanks for taking it upon yourself to help clean up the level 1-10 gear category.  In general some of the categories are still a mess from when we initially populated them with lists of gear. I intend the "lowmort ??-?? gear" categories to contain misc. gear that would be useful for a variety of characters.  Stuff like healing potions, orb of faerie magic, etc.  Other gear can go into more specialized categories (hit, tank, mana). Lowmort 1-10 gear is a bit different from the rest, because characters don't really wear specialized gear that low.  Instead everyone runs around in a mix of hit, tank, and level gear.  As far as some of your specific suggestions, I'll tackle them in list form:</p>
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See all those edit buttons above the edit box? It would be nice if some of those pertained to the Avatar Wiki. For example, it's monotonous to code a bunch of mob/object/area emplates for however many pages you have to do, so some buttons could add those templates, appropriately hyperlinked, into the editbox for us to use. Giving us one-click access to template code would also help standardize the page layouts. If you're interested, the appropriate code lies in [h{{ttp}}://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EditPage.php EditPage.php] (all the way at the bottom). --[[User:Neyne|Neyne]] 20:59, 1 March 2006 (EST)
  
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We can change what links appear in that navigation panel on the left side of the screen.  Suggestions?  I don't want to make it too cluttered, so just a few choice links that would be more useful than "donations" or "random page" [[User:Waite|Waite]] 10:59, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
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:golden unicorn horn as offhand: you have a good point that lowbies don't get dual, so offhanding a weapon isn't horribly useful.  However, this weapon gives +2 hr & +2 dr, so it will help a newbie hit harder and more often with their main wield.  Your point that a shield could be more useful is valid.  It would probably be a good idea to write up a discussion of these points in the golden unicorn horn page, along with a link to a nice lowbie shield.<br>
 
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:orb of knowledge: definitely deserves a page. should also be linked to from red-eyed jewel so the less adventurous newbs know they can settle for something easier to get.  However, I would like to think that with the info that this site provides, a true newb would be able to slay the dracolich before level 15.<br>
 
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:blue lizard tongues no longer exist: this is a recent development.  fortunately I've already created categories for grandfathered gear, so all you need to do is switch what category this piece is in.<br>
 
  
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I think we should put the [[:Special:Random| Random Page]] link in the left sidebar. It's a fun link, there's a lot of content on the wiki this might help expose.--[[User:3nki|3nki]] 18:27, 17 May 2015 (EDT)
  
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:organization/layout/format: Mediawiki does have support for making page templates.  I never bothered because I figured as long as all the right info is present, who cares how it looks?  But maybe I was wrong.  I'll look into how templates work when I get out of work today, and try to make a few templates like you suggested: one for gear, mobs, area, etc.<br>
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i've noticed some items have "Category:" in front of their name and others of similar status or type do not. for example, classes ("Category:Psionicists") have it while most races do not. looking at my "view and edit watchlist" page i noticed because it puts Firedrakes in the "Main" list, whereas pages like Imps, Psionicists, and Transfigured Forest show up under the "Category" list.
  
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:Again, I appreciate your concerns and suggestions, along with the work you've already done. Most, if not all, of the problems you pointed out are pretty easy to fix. If we all keep working on this wiki together, it will only get better and better.<br>
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just wondering what the details are; is there an in-progress movement to move towards or away from using "Category:" with the names? or some such...
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A long while ago, someone went a bit nutty with categories and now it would take so much work to untangle it that it probably isn't worth the effort. Your best bet to make it easier to search is to create redirect pages that point to the appropriate category. Look at the area pages to see the syntax. (I did all those before, including Transforest as you noticed, and I have no burning desire ever to do it again. *shudder carpaltunnel*)
  
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But to answer your question, I would ''love'' to move away from using categories for things like areas and classes, but not particularly in favor of refactoring the existing pages. --[[User:Neyne|Neyne]] 21:42, 3 August 2011 (CDT)
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::That's a good point about the moderators slowing down the process and Aejase being out of date. I remember just before it went down that last time that Khazaad was really behind on entries. My biggest concern was that more people contributing would create a bigger mess as everyone tried to add their own format to the list. I just see the format becoming an issue as this site grows and people are looking to add things, but don't necessarily know how to write down all the information that they have. While the information is still there, it may become a jungle to navigate. For example, imagine looking at a piece of code or an html document without any line breaks versus one that has been done neatly and carefully.<br><br>
 
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speaking of categories... it would be nice if there was a page to see all mobs that stomp. the current page [[Stomping Mobs|Stomps]] doesn't list the actual mobs just describes the trait. as do similar [[Mob Types]] pages like [[Sniping Mobs]] or something. and i tried but it won't let me flag a mob that is a stomper with that category (like the [[Death Knight General]]). i'm trying to get it to show up there like [[Mobs In Necromancer's Tower]] does at the bottom of his page. then eventually we could use that tag for other stomper mob pages and build up a list. would be nice if all the [[Mob Types]] showed which mobs were flaged for each actually, but i guess that would be a pain to do ;) --[[User:3nki|3nki]] 23:44, 3 August 2011 (CDT)
  
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While adding content, I and others have managed to gradually generate all sorts of [[Special: Categories |categories]] and [[Special: Allpages |pages]] that ought to be deleted, either because their titles were improperly capitalized or spelled or because their information was transferred elsewhere or was organized differently or whatnot.  If I recall correctly, every category [[Special:Uncategorizedcategories |here]] except for [[:Category: Miscellaneous |Miscellaneous]] and every page [[Special:Uncategorizedpages |here]] except for the [[Main Page |Main Page]] can (and, I'd say, should) be deleted. This can only be done by a Sysop; otherwise, I'd take care of it myself rather than mentioning it here. Anyway, thanks much!  --[[User:DaveGarber1975|Dave Garber]] 23:42, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
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On each page on the left you will see a "What links here" link. Click on that to see all the pages that references that page. So you will get all the mobs that link to the [[Stomping Mobs|Stomping]] page. However, that is a toolbox way of handling the issue. If you feel a need - fill it. --[[User:Ylem|Ylem]] 06:42, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
  
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:I started, there are a lot to delete, I'll do more later --[[User:Mel|Mel]] 16:19, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
  
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::Many thanks, Mel! It might be good to check these two links regularly, perhaps monthly.  Also, once again, I ''re''-[[:Special: Imagelist |uploaded]] a few new [[:Category: Maps |maps]] that I had created after making minor changes to them.  Please feel free to delete ''all but the one newest version'' of each of these [[:Category: Maps |maps]] so that you don't have bunches of useless 20-70kb .GIF files cluttering up your server.  Once again, I'd delete all of these older versions myself if I could but your WIKI tells me that only SysOps can do this.  Sorry that I keep creating so much junk for you to clean up (hee-hee). Anyway, thanks again!  ::--[[User:DaveGarber1975|Dave Garber]] 01:58, 25 Jan 2006 (EST)
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Early on, we decided to use a lot of categories for any page that seems like it would logically "contain" other pages. The main motivation behind this is that categories give you lists for free.  Instead of manually keeping a page like [[:Category:Gear In Wamphyri Aerie|Gear In Wamphyri Aerie]] up-to-date the wiki does it for us.  I also tried to get the wiki to search for categories by default, but this doesn't seem to be working anymore (if it ever did).  I'll see what I can do to fix this.  One possibility is to use a Google search plugin instead of MediaWiki's built-in search.
  
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:::On the topic of waste disposal, I've noticed a lot of unnecessary categories, namely the "Quests in [area]" categories. The same goes for the "Mobs in [area]" and "Gear in [area]" categories. Since only a fraction of all areas have notable mobs, gear, or quests, having all these empty categories just makes looking at a page like [[:Category:Ticket Quests|Ticket Quests]] much more confusing. I propose that instead of making "Quests in" subcategories, we just add sections for quests, gear, and mobs right in the area's category, thereby skipping the "Quests in" category all together. It's not like they have any content other than links to the content pages anyway. This way, the master lists of quests &c. will only list ones that... well... exist. --[[User:Neyne|Neyne]] 03:49, 25 February 2006 (EST)
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Re: list of stomping mobs.  This is the exactly the type of situation that categories were made for. It's pretty easy to set up, just add <nowiki>[[Category:Stomping Mobs]]</nowiki> or so to every such mob.
  
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::::(1) In keeping with Wiki policy about filing pages only in their lowest possible subcategor(ies) within this Wiki's category-trees, there is no longer (as of this afternoon) a master list of all ticket quests, just as there are no longer master lists of either all gear or all mobs; each ticket quest page is now found only in its respective area subcategor(ies). (2) As for all of these empty subcategories, I expect that very few will remain empty over time.  I disagree that there is so little gear and such worth listing; in fact, I expect that most areas (except for a few "special" ones like Sanctum) provide at least one piece of noteworthy gear, which is usually obtained by killing a mob, by giving a mob a ticket, or perhaps even through some of both.  In fact, to test this theory a little, I just clicked on a bunch of random areas on Aejase and had trouble finding any area categories there without at least one mob listed in them.  So, although these subcategories may not be immediately necessary, I believe that they will almsot all become so as time passes.  Also, (3) I favor our current procedure of using subcategories rather than sections to list all of these.  Anyway, just my thoughts on this, for whatever they may be worth. --[[User:DaveGarber1975|Dave Garber]] 16:06, 25 February 2006 (EST)
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== Uploading XML or TXT files ==
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We're running into a problem with CMud scripts exported as XML files. Apparently, the Wiki is reading certain characters as their ASCII code, rather than the character required by CMud to import the XML file for later use.  
  
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:::::I appreciate your taking out the trash today, Waite (hee hee).  Boy, it sure can build up!  Even with your deletions today, I still count 153 junk categories and 106 junk pages.  Yikes!  --[[User:DaveGarber1975|Dave Garber]] 17:48, 10 March 2006 (EST)
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Is there anyway we could enable uploading of XML or TXT files so we can then link them to the correct script pages?
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I just enabled uploading of .xml and .txt files.  Let me know if this doesn't solve the problem.  [[User:Waite|Waite]] 21:31, 30 September 2011 (CDT)
  
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A way to solve this if you have to turn uploads off is -
  
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:::::::Ah!  Actually, I believe that this special category is working properly.  The Wiki is actually using all images other than those four in this category that you deleted today (thanks!), though some of these images have multiple versions of themselves stored and the Wiki is using (or should be using) only the newest version of each image.  Uhhh, if that makes any sense (yipes!).  Probably the best way to handle this is by going to [[Special:Newimages]] and then clicking on each image listed there one by one (sorry!) and then, for each image, looking at the bottom of its page to see if multiple versions are stored and then, if there are, using (del) links beside older versions to delete them one by one.  My condolences on what a hassle I imagine that this will be!  Also, I should mention that I'm currently redoing a few older maps to space out their rooms a bit more and, with new contest areas being added soon, I'm afraid that I'll be updating even more existing maps in coming weeks.  So be forewarned (my apologies!).  --[[User:DaveGarber1975|Dave Garber]] 20:19, 10 March 2006 (EST)
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::::::::While we're talking about maps, let me draw my own map for the chalmus area.  I need to figure out how to draw maps for the lordwiki anyway, so I might as well write the map for my own area while I'm at it.  I figured I'd give you the warning before you take the time to map out my area.
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code with your &lt in here
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:::::::::Awesome!  :)  I seem to remember that I mapped my own area first, too; it can certainly help to start by working with an area that you already know very well.  In any case, your area is now off my list and all yours.  Have fun!  And I look forward to seeing your finished product.  --[[User:DaveGarber1975|Dave Garber]] 20:41, 10 March 2006 (EST)
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::::As for empty categories, I marked for deletion a few selected categories that I verified would not ever have any contents (because the areas in question did not have a single mob or piece of gear or whatever in them).  Actually, I did this a long time ago.  But, while I'm editing this page, I thought that I'd mention it.  --[[User:DaveGarber1975|Dave Garber]] 02:25, 7 February 2007 (CST)
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(had to put spaces in the <> show it properly delete them to get it to work :/ )
  
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:I made a template that you can insert simply by editing in the text <nowiki>{{Delete}}</nowiki> that categorizes a page into [[:Category:Delete]] and clearly marks the page as one to be deleted. Should make it easier for the admins to do their job, no? ^_^ --[[User:MooNFisH|Llanor]] 02:54, 6 February 2007 (CST)
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::Thanks a bunch, MooNFisH!  It should simplify things a bit.  I need to learn how to use those Templates, myself--they're pretty darn cool!  --[[User:DaveGarber1975|Dave Garber]] 02:19, 7 February 2007 (CST)
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== SPAM? ==
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--[[User:Rhodry|Rhodry]] 10:55, 1 October 2011 (CDT)
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I just found two pages modified with the following text:
 
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<nowiki><pre><div id="wyikol" style="overflow:auto; height: 1px; ">[http://f79asd3454dfsdf.com 5656456222]</div></pre></nowiki>
 
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The two users (Dwazry and Zhrvtx) each modified one page with this text (see [[Arbalest]] and [[:Category:Padmasa]] histories). We might be seeing some SPAM hitting our wiki. If this is legitimate I appologize but I saw no reason for such text when it is not even visible! --[[User:Ylem|Ylem]] 11:37, 27 February 2006 (CST)
 
  
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== Some custom insertion buttons ==
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== Organizing quest pages ==
  
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See all those edit buttons above the edit box? It would be nice if some of those pertained to the Avatar Wiki. For example, it's monotonous to code a bunch of mob/object/area emplates for however many pages you have to do, so some buttons could add those templates, appropriately hyperlinked, into the editbox for us to use. Giving us one-click access to template code would also help standardize the page layouts. If you're interested, the appropriate code lies in [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EditPage.php EditPage.php] (all the way at the bottom). --[[User:Neyne|Neyne]] 20:59, 1 March 2006 (EST)
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I've increasingly noticed a lot of players asking about quests for their level, and I realized that none of the quests on the wiki are organized by level range. Solution: create and populate categories for quests in the same level ranges as areas and gear, which is easy, if a bit demanding on my carpals. But in addition to that, do we want to restructure the quest pages altogether to separate the quest descriptions from their solutions? I was thinking of just separating them into different sections on the page, but maybe they could be separated by putting the descriptions on the "Category:Quests in Wherever" page, and the solutions in the individual quest pages. (I think it would be too much page bloat to create entirely new pages for quest solutions.) Thoughts?
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== Information Gathering ==
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I would split descriptions and solutions personally as not everyone wants to see the solution straight away, although personal opinion for me would be to also include the reward in the description. --[[User:Rhodry|Rhodry]] 11:06, 11 October 2011 (CDT)
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While I know how to get item information (cast identify on them) I see people putting in something called 'base'. I'm not sure I know how to get that accurately. Any help on that? How about getting detailed mob information (such as alignment, level, flags, etc - see [[Merline]] for an example). Is this a Lord ability? I tend to not do mobs here because I'm not sure how to get that information. Perhaps a page on here on how to get this type of information and (as Neyne suggested) a button for templates. I'm willing to post up the template I use for items that was crafted from Dave Garber's entries. Since I'm a programmer I'm working on a program where I just enter the 'cast id' results, the text viewed when looking at it, the mob, and the area and it spits out the wiki text and all I have to fill in and comments,directions. I'd be willing to share it if there is any interest. --[[User:Ylem|Ylem]]
 
  
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:"Base" refers to the base ac of the item.  This is information that you can obtain from identify ("Armor class is 7"). It's referred to as "base" so as to distinguish it from special ac modifiers ("Modifies armor class by -35 continuous.").  The psi spell [[Bioscan]] is used to determine information about a mob.
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Okay, how does this look to you: [[:Category:Quests In Walking Woods]] Following that model, all "Category:Quests in Wherever" page will contain the descriptions/setups to each of the quests in that area, and be in the "Lowmort X-X/Hero Quests" category (and more than one of those categories if necessary). Think that covers everything?--[[User:Neyne|Neyne]] 10:51, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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::Yup.  Bioscan yields a lot of this information.  To find a mob's level, I usually kill it and identify its corpse; charming it and then looking at your group table may also work.  A mob's level determines the level(s) of the gear it carries (see [[Object Level]]).  And an armor-type object's level(s) determines its base armor class range (see [[Armor Values]]).  I hope that this info helps you a little.  Thanks for your contributions!  ::--[[User:DaveGarber1975|Dave Garber]] 15:15, 3 March 2006 (EST)
 
  
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== Navigation Panel ==
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Hmmm too bad we don't have a spoiler tag tho google says there is one via an installable extension. That way we could have descriptions and solutions on the same page. I personally would have Quests in walking woods category left as it used to be. then in the quest for lowmorts 11-20 category have something like this.
  
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We can change what links appear in that navigation panel on the left side of the screen. Suggestions?  I don't want to make it too cluttered, so just a few choice links that would be more useful than "donations" or "random page"  [[User:Waite|Waite]] 10:59, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
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Walking Woods Plague Quest.
  
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== Future Changes ==
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The area is overrun with undead, and the dying Captain Balgaar needs help.
  
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I think I'm the only one left really updating this site. Unless you can think of something else that is majorly missing the only thing I'll be doing is mapping hero areas that are unmapped (Silmavar, Necro Tower, and Frozen Wastes).
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Level Range - Solo 20s, Grouped 15-19. <br>
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Another quest goes here.
  
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== Silmarvar ==
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Formatted up of course with spoiler tags you could have solution changed to more info and hide the solution on that page in spoiler tags.
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The reason being people are going to want to find this info easily rather than having to go to each "Such And Such Quest" or "Quests In" page to find out --[[User:Rhodry|Rhodry]] 18:54, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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I have Silmarvar & the Frozen Wastes maps already done. Am just trying to figure out how to add stuff correctly. I could not figure out how to access the Lord wiki :/
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Well, that ''could'' be a pain to maintain, since the "Lowmort X-X Quests" categories would be LONG once they're all filled up with content. But it would be doable, as long as we figure out a decent way to sort them all (perhaps group them by reward type, i.e. Insignia/Gear/Weapon/Gold&Gems/XP etc.)
  
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Morague
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Also, if the "Quests in Wherever" categories are going to remain empty, I would suggest nixing them entirely and sticking quest pages directly in their area categories. Currently, all they do is stick another mouse click between you and the page you really want to see, and the vast majority of them only contain one quest.
  
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In either case, I think we should plan on not having access to a spoilers tag. If we get one, that'll be icing on the delicious quest cake. --[[User:Neyne|Neyne]] 20:55, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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<spoiler text="Who da man?">Waite</spoiler>
  
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To add a new map click the "Upload file" link in the toolbox on the left side of the screen, and upload the map.  Then create a new page (like [[Frozen Wastes Map]]) and display the image there.  Take a look at some already existing map page ([[Avatar Mudschool Map]]) if you'd like an example to copy.
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As far as accessing the lord wiki, log into the mud with your lord lvl character and type "help webpasswords".  That will show you the username and password you're supposed to use to access that site.
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The way of organising them on the "Lowmort X-X Quests" pages is up for discussion could use a table I just listed the info I would personally would want to know if I was going to look at that page --[[User:Rhodry|Rhodry]] 21:15, 13 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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[[User:Waite|Waite]] 08:23, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
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Hmm - I think spoiler text should be used <spoiler text="first of all for this">Helpful hints and non specific tips.</spoiler>and then <spoiler text="secondly for this">Actually how to do the quest.</spoiler>bearing in mind of course that some quests have been requested not to have ANY spoilers posted about them, either indefintely, or for a certain period.--[[User:Shadowtop|Shadowtop]] 06:22, 14 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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Now that the veil of lord secrecy has been lifted I think it would be nice if the two wikis were merged. Not sure how much work that would be though so just a thought :) --[[User:Everman|Everman]]
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== Upgrade Woes ==
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*Suggested level (maybe a range)
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I looks like uploading a file is broken (not public). Cannot upload maps. I posted a personal to Melanarchy but no response. Can this be fixed?
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All better.  [[User:Waite|Waite]] 21:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
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Missing anything? [[User:Waite|Waite]] 10:12, 14 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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[[:Category:Lowmort 11-20 Quests]] what do you think? Off the top of my head, reward types should probably include Weapon, Gear, Insignia, Gold, Healies (potions/pills/staves/wands/scrolls), and Spellcasting (non-healing potions, etc).--[[User:Neyne|Neyne]] 12:08, 14 October 2011 (CDT)
  
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== Discussion Of Pulse Posting ==
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Added racial characteristics and groups to Elf and Drow.  Just a suggestion for a way to do it.  I'll leave it there and it can be expanded on if liked. I put a line of text in each category which is just an educated guess - there are no helps, it seems, yet. I used a sub-page style for the categories initially because of "faerie races" and "faerie race" being quite different things, but it will also help to group them nicely on other category pages and group lists - and they can still be piped in the body text of articles. --[[User:Caoimhe|Caoimhe]] 02:23, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
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Today Pulse posted asking for a restriction on descriptions of rooms and mobs on the wiki. I'd like to have a discussion on this as I think it is in our best interested to play nicely. Obviously we are providing a benefit for the community but I don't want to step on any toes. We obviously have a lot of mob descriptions on the wiki and removing them would be an ordeal. What is the balance? Waite? Melanarchy? You two are the owners of this site and I'll let you dictate the rules. --[[User:Ylem|Ylem]] 02:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 
  
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Thanks for pointing this out Ylem.  I don't think we need to do anything drastic like stripping all descs from the wiki.  But we should follow Pulse's advice.  If you plan on mapping an area and documenting it in the wiki, please make a good-faith effort to check with the builder responsible for that area before doing any bulk replication of room & mob descriptions.  I feel like the occasional description here & there is ok, especially if it pertains to a quest, or some other interesting facet of the area in question.  But as Pulse suggested, be polite towards the builders.  In general, I don't think it's a horrible idea to leave something to the imagination.  It's more exciting to discover these little details in-game than it is to find them on the wiki anyway, right?
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If someone has a FDK or IMP of the various evolutions please update the size charts on their respective pages. I did the low hero evolution for both already.--[[User:3nki|3nki]] 12:44, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 01:20, 18 July 2019

File upload broken

Attempts to upload a PNG image file (map of Rise of Typhus) fail and gives the error message: [ac9504a2] 2019-07-18 05:13:14: Fatal exception of type "MWException"

Broken voting link for Mud Connector (TMC)

Cannot fix this link because of "spam protection," according to the wiki. The same link has also been broken for a long time on the main Avatar website. The correct link is in the Updates sidebar on the main website – unfortunately "spam protection" also prevents me from showing it here. --3nki (talk) 09:48, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

New wiki user account creation

hi, not sure if anyone reads this page anymore but... the new user creation screen CAPTCHA is broken, which prevents anyone creating a new account. something about v1 being deprecated. saw a request in game of someone wanting to make an account--3nki (talk) 19:52, 29 January 2019 (EST)

BUG ALERT

If there is a way to change the default time period for the Recent Changes page to make it longer, say 30 days, that should at least help the problem of the error showing when there are no changes in that period.--3nki (talk) 22:57, 11 August 2016 (EDT)

The sidebar links are broken for "Recent Changes" and "Related Changes", which give ERROR 404 - Not Found!.--3nki (talk) 16:48, 28 May 2016 (EDT)

I think that happens when there are no 'Recent Changes' to show. Haven't checked the Related changes link before; so not sure on that one --Kerd (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2016 (EDT)

Something odd going on – all pages of the wiki have some message appearing at the top. Anyone have any ideas? It's a long line of text, something from ReCaptcha.php line 54. --3nki 00:46, 30 June 2014 (EDT)

I emailed Waite a couple of days ago, quoting the bug text, but no response yet. They do tend to get snowed under by masses of work, and I did mention the bug appeared to be cosmetic only, so when it will get fixed - I have no idea. Hopefully, it isn't symptomatic of something more serious. --Qismat 10:37, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
This should be fixed now. Let me know if any other problems crop up. Waite 17:15, 30 June 2014 (EDT)

Orphaned pages

looking at Orphaned pages. i'm figuring i'll fix a few every so often, maybe we can gradually clean it up and also increase cross-linking between pages. one thing i can't see how to do however is delete pages--3nki 02:47, 14 May 2014 (EDT)

The category system/format we are using guarantees vast numbers of apparently orphaned files. The majority of mobs, items and quests are only linked to their area via category links - which do not count as far as the orphan list is concerned. We would need to add lists to the area page in order to make any real dent in the orphan list. --Qismat 10:46, 30 June 2014 (EDT)

Facelifting the main page

Does anyone have any objections to replacing the main page with a facelift? Please respond either here or on the talk page with any suggestions or improvements needed before going live. Thank you! WinterRose 13:40, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

The current layout of the main page replacement as seen here is more or less in the final stage. I've received positive comments from half a dozen people in-game and some suggestions that resulted in modifications, so this version is the result of all that. Does anyone have any further suggestions on how to make it more appealing to new players? WinterRose 04:58, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

Signing your entries in talk pages

I'm not sure where the best place to put this is, but I want to remind everybody to sign their entries in talk pages, two dashes followed by 4 tildes '--~~~~' or just click the button that is second from the right on the top of the edit box. --Mel 10:15, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)

Also, when you're replying to something on a talk page, feel free to use this fancy feature (watch start of line)
It works really well! just add one colon (:) at the start of the lines more than the previous reply had! --Llanor 17:30, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Spam or Bot Accounts

i guess it's just something to live with.. but it seems there's another bout of bot account creation.. sorry if there's somewhere else i should post regarding this. --3nki 00:22, 10 October 2011 (CDT)

There are only so many 2-letter names they can register. Does registering require an email check? That might slow it down. WinterRose 07:21, 10 October 2011 (CDT)

all these apparently random letter and number mixed names lately are most likely spam bots, it seems to me, or bots of some kind. not sure what their goal is. --3nki 20:28, 12 January 2012 (CST)

Most likely they want to boost the pagerank of their crappy website by linking to it from here. We've all but disabled external links though, so they don't get very far. I'm not too concerned about them creating accounts, but let me know if they ever cause any more serious mischief. Waite 09:56, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Style sheets

I do a lot of style sheet and web programming for my work and I've thought of making a general style sheet for the wiki. My idea is (something like this anyway) that we inventory what we need, what kind of titles and headlines and various types of elements, tables and so on, for all the pages on the AV wiki. Then we make a stylesheet that incorporates all the commonalties on a base level (like font type, base size, site wide stuff) and also has a set of classes for people to reference as needed in specific situations. That way we have something everyone uses for consistency. If we want to change it we can, but it will be consistent. Of course we'd add to it as we go.. what does everyone think? There must be a way to include a reference to this style sheet in every page of the wiki automatically. --3nki 02:03, 20 October 2011 (CDT)


There sure is. In the parlance of MediaWiki, these are called skins. You can actually use a different skin without affecting anyone else: go to "my preferences" (in the upper right) and then Appearances. I'm reluctant to drastically change the appearance of our wiki (mostly because I don't want to deal with the complaints) but if you come up with something nice I'm willing to have an open mind. Waite 08:50, 20 October 2011 (CDT)


interesting - trying out skins now. there's one called MySkin so i guess there's a way to edit that somewhere.--3nki 19:35, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

Creating new pages

(Sorry if you don't like that I deleted all the discussion from before on this subject, but you were talking nonsense.) In the Search box, type the exact title you wish to use for your wiki page and press 'Go'. If this page doesn't exist yet, the option 'Create This Page' will be clearly visible after you've pressed 'Go'. Click that. Wow, it's that simple. --Llanor 17:17, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Naming Convention

  • (If this is covered somewhere else please let me know where.)

What is the naming convention? Every word for titles (items, rooms, mobs, etc.) has its first letter capitalized, right? Even connectors like A, I, If, Or, Of, etc. "Mega's Spark In A Bottle", not "Mega's Spark in a Bottle"... or the in-game way it's spelled, "mega's Spark in a Bottle". --3nki 22:25, 27 September 2011 (CDT)

Contributing has a section about naming. --Ylem 23:12, 27 September 2011 (CDT)

Contact Information

It may be helpful to provide some means of contacting those folks in charge of this site.

If you really want to contact a user of this wiki, just edit their talk page.

Some custom insertion buttons

See all those edit buttons above the edit box? It would be nice if some of those pertained to the Avatar Wiki. For example, it's monotonous to code a bunch of mob/object/area emplates for however many pages you have to do, so some buttons could add those templates, appropriately hyperlinked, into the editbox for us to use. Giving us one-click access to template code would also help standardize the page layouts. If you're interested, the appropriate code lies in EditPage.php (all the way at the bottom). --Neyne 20:59, 1 March 2006 (EST)

Navigation Panel

We can change what links appear in that navigation panel on the left side of the screen. Suggestions? I don't want to make it too cluttered, so just a few choice links that would be more useful than "donations" or "random page" Waite 10:59, 11 May 2007 (CDT)

I think we should put the Random Page link in the left sidebar. It's a fun link, there's a lot of content on the wiki this might help expose.--3nki 18:27, 17 May 2015 (EDT)

Category label in pages

i've noticed some items have "Category:" in front of their name and others of similar status or type do not. for example, classes ("Category:Psionicists") have it while most races do not. looking at my "view and edit watchlist" page i noticed because it puts Firedrakes in the "Main" list, whereas pages like Imps, Psionicists, and Transfigured Forest show up under the "Category" list.

just wondering what the details are; is there an in-progress movement to move towards or away from using "Category:" with the names? or some such... --3nki 19:12, 3 August 2011 (CDT)

A long while ago, someone went a bit nutty with categories and now it would take so much work to untangle it that it probably isn't worth the effort. Your best bet to make it easier to search is to create redirect pages that point to the appropriate category. Look at the area pages to see the syntax. (I did all those before, including Transforest as you noticed, and I have no burning desire ever to do it again. *shudder carpaltunnel*)

But to answer your question, I would love to move away from using categories for things like areas and classes, but not particularly in favor of refactoring the existing pages. --Neyne 21:42, 3 August 2011 (CDT)

speaking of categories... it would be nice if there was a page to see all mobs that stomp. the current page Stomps doesn't list the actual mobs just describes the trait. as do similar Mob Types pages like Sniping Mobs or something. and i tried but it won't let me flag a mob that is a stomper with that category (like the Death Knight General). i'm trying to get it to show up there like Mobs In Necromancer's Tower does at the bottom of his page. then eventually we could use that tag for other stomper mob pages and build up a list. would be nice if all the Mob Types showed which mobs were flaged for each actually, but i guess that would be a pain to do ;) --3nki 23:44, 3 August 2011 (CDT)

On each page on the left you will see a "What links here" link. Click on that to see all the pages that references that page. So you will get all the mobs that link to the Stomping page. However, that is a toolbox way of handling the issue. If you feel a need - fill it. --Ylem 06:42, 4 August 2011 (CDT)


Early on, we decided to use a lot of categories for any page that seems like it would logically "contain" other pages. The main motivation behind this is that categories give you lists for free. Instead of manually keeping a page like Gear In Wamphyri Aerie up-to-date the wiki does it for us. I also tried to get the wiki to search for categories by default, but this doesn't seem to be working anymore (if it ever did). I'll see what I can do to fix this. One possibility is to use a Google search plugin instead of MediaWiki's built-in search.

Re: list of stomping mobs. This is the exactly the type of situation that categories were made for. It's pretty easy to set up, just add [[Category:Stomping Mobs]] or so to every such mob.

Uploading XML or TXT files

We're running into a problem with CMud scripts exported as XML files. Apparently, the Wiki is reading certain characters as their ASCII code, rather than the character required by CMud to import the XML file for later use.

Is there anyway we could enable uploading of XML or TXT files so we can then link them to the correct script pages? --Shalineth 16:57, 30 September 2011 (CDT)

I just enabled uploading of .xml and .txt files. Let me know if this doesn't solve the problem. Waite 21:31, 30 September 2011 (CDT)

A way to solve this if you have to turn uploads off is -

< pre > < nowiki > code with your &lt in here < /nowiki > < /pre > (had to put spaces in the <> show it properly delete them to get it to work :/ )

EG: 


look a &lt and a &gt :)

--Rhodry 10:55, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

Organizing quest pages

I've increasingly noticed a lot of players asking about quests for their level, and I realized that none of the quests on the wiki are organized by level range. Solution: create and populate categories for quests in the same level ranges as areas and gear, which is easy, if a bit demanding on my carpals. But in addition to that, do we want to restructure the quest pages altogether to separate the quest descriptions from their solutions? I was thinking of just separating them into different sections on the page, but maybe they could be separated by putting the descriptions on the "Category:Quests in Wherever" page, and the solutions in the individual quest pages. (I think it would be too much page bloat to create entirely new pages for quest solutions.) Thoughts? --Neyne 10:47, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

I would split descriptions and solutions personally as not everyone wants to see the solution straight away, although personal opinion for me would be to also include the reward in the description. --Rhodry 11:06, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

Okay, how does this look to you: Category:Quests In Walking Woods Following that model, all "Category:Quests in Wherever" page will contain the descriptions/setups to each of the quests in that area, and be in the "Lowmort X-X/Hero Quests" category (and more than one of those categories if necessary). Think that covers everything?--Neyne 10:51, 13 October 2011 (CDT)


Hmmm too bad we don't have a spoiler tag tho google says there is one via an installable extension. That way we could have descriptions and solutions on the same page. I personally would have Quests in walking woods category left as it used to be. then in the quest for lowmorts 11-20 category have something like this.

Walking Woods Plague Quest.

The area is overrun with undead, and the dying Captain Balgaar needs help.

Level Range - Solo 20s, Grouped 15-19.
Level Limits - None.
Starting Point - Captain Balgaar in the Walking Woods.
Difficulty - Medium.
Prize - Stonehall Hammer.
Solution - Walking Woods Plague Quest

Another quest goes here.

Formatted up of course with spoiler tags you could have solution changed to more info and hide the solution on that page in spoiler tags. The reason being people are going to want to find this info easily rather than having to go to each "Such And Such Quest" or "Quests In" page to find out --Rhodry 18:54, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

Well, that could be a pain to maintain, since the "Lowmort X-X Quests" categories would be LONG once they're all filled up with content. But it would be doable, as long as we figure out a decent way to sort them all (perhaps group them by reward type, i.e. Insignia/Gear/Weapon/Gold&Gems/XP etc.)

Also, if the "Quests in Wherever" categories are going to remain empty, I would suggest nixing them entirely and sticking quest pages directly in their area categories. Currently, all they do is stick another mouse click between you and the page you really want to see, and the vast majority of them only contain one quest.

In either case, I think we should plan on not having access to a spoilers tag. If we get one, that'll be icing on the delicious quest cake. --Neyne 20:55, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

<spoiler text="Who da man?">Waite</spoiler>

Heh Thanks Waite :)

The "quests in wherever" should probably stay as some areas have multiple quests across various levels. The way of organising them on the "Lowmort X-X Quests" pages is up for discussion could use a table I just listed the info I would personally would want to know if I was going to look at that page --Rhodry 21:15, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

Hmm - I think spoiler text should be used <spoiler text="first of all for this">Helpful hints and non specific tips.</spoiler>and then <spoiler text="secondly for this">Actually how to do the quest.</spoiler>bearing in mind of course that some quests have been requested not to have ANY spoilers posted about them, either indefintely, or for a certain period.--Shadowtop 06:22, 14 October 2011 (CDT)


I agree with Rhodry's suggestion here. I think "Lowmort X-X Quests" (and above) should have a sortable table with some choice information for each quest.

  • Suggested level (maybe a range)
  • Area
  • Brief description
  • Reward

Missing anything? Waite 10:12, 14 October 2011 (CDT)

Category:Lowmort 11-20 Quests what do you think? Off the top of my head, reward types should probably include Weapon, Gear, Insignia, Gold, Healies (potions/pills/staves/wands/scrolls), and Spellcasting (non-healing potions, etc).--Neyne 12:08, 14 October 2011 (CDT)

Racial Stuff

Added racial characteristics and groups to Elf and Drow. Just a suggestion for a way to do it. I'll leave it there and it can be expanded on if liked. I put a line of text in each category which is just an educated guess - there are no helps, it seems, yet. I used a sub-page style for the categories initially because of "faerie races" and "faerie race" being quite different things, but it will also help to group them nicely on other category pages and group lists - and they can still be piped in the body text of articles. --Caoimhe 02:23, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

Size

If someone has a FDK or IMP of the various evolutions please update the size charts on their respective pages. I did the low hero evolution for both already.--3nki 12:44, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

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