Talk:Shield Of The Tree Quest

why were the details for this quest removed?--3nki 10:50, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

Because years ago, if I recall correctly, Pulse specifically asked for it not to be spoiled. Of course, totally delinking the page and not even giving hints seems a bit overkill. Not that it matters anymore since once it's on the wiki history, it's there for good. --Neyne 14:23, 17 March 2012 (CDT)

It's so beyond spoiled and it's not even a very good item for the effort required, I have no idea why it still needs to be pretend-secret.

Until Pulse then gives a green light and lifts the nospoiler delay I suppose it's understandable not to have quest details listed. However, decategorizing the page is not really needed - it's an informative page that currently contains no spoilers. --WinterRose 03:05, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

There is no "nospoiler delay" beyond 6 months for anything other than this particular quest, and it's not even a very interesting quest. I see no reason to maintain it, especially since the details are available by clicking on "history." --Mekrith 04:53, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

Farm from me to disagree on this one, I share Mekrith's opinion - not much sense in maintaining secrecy of already spoiled quests especially after 6 months. However the question of general nature arises - if an author doesn't want elements of his area, quests, maps, etc. displayed on the wiki (map of Halfling Tunnels comes to mind), is there any time or other policy governing when the stuff can be added anyway? -- WinterRose 09:02, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

Regardless of how good or bad the item, or how interesting or not the quest is or any other value type questions - the first question should be Is there a request from the author not to publish certain or all any information on the topic? If there is, that request should be logged on the wiki where people who may be thinking about an edit can see it. It should probably be logged on the main page of the area, or in the quests subcategory of that area as well as on a specific (item/quest) page. If there is not any anti-spoiler request listed on the wiki, then it's all to easy for someone to add something, another person another thing, and then before you know it, the information is all there and whatever secret has been revealed. I think it is helpful if the author themselves puts up a notice, or if they would write an in-game note and a helpful person transposes that request here. I think it is also probably very helpful if there is some kind of time limit - from 6 months to 5 years, or whatever - just to give people a framework, but if the author has requested no-spoilers for perpetuity, then that is the author's prerogative. Perhaps in this case, the author could be noted and asked if they would be willing to reconsider their stance or perhaps some hints suggested to them which could be put up with a note that they are author approved. I do not think we should just be going along the path that, "Oh look, it's been a year, we can do what we like now regardless". It is just rude.--Shadowtop 21:50, 18 March 2012 (CDT)

I put this on so I'll give my opinion. I remember that request for no spoilage but did intentionally due to how people would not help anyone trying to figure this out. After many attempts to get the details or even hints on how to solve it I was getting little help. After one person gave me "help" that made me lose the clumps (not sure if intentional or not) I got so frustrated I put it up after I figured it out. Avatar has always been promoted as community and this wiki is an outreach of that. I saw it being treated as privileged information and decided it is just another quest. --Ylem 12:37, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

Actually, far more generally - and this page is probably not the right place to have this discussion. I guess the quest category? But it seems topical here right now... - it would be nice if the spoiler function was used more on quests to create two sets of information on quest pages. I have seen this function around a couple of times, but cannot actually remember where it is, and I'm the type of person who tends to learn how to edit the wiki from other pages, so the more pages with a certain function, the easier it is to find an example and copy it. Having two sections on a quest page for when it is permissable to put up details - one for general hints, and one for more detailed things like directions, or exact items, etc... would be really cool. Sometimes people just want a bit of a hint, but do not want the whole thing revealed - but once it is laid out infront of you it is a bit hard not to look.--Shadowtop 21:50, 18 March 2012 (CDT)

I found the spoiler function - which seems nice and easy to use. Have edited the page somewhat to show first glance is just hints, and three sections of spoilers you can reveal if you feel the desire or get stuck. I think it would be cool if we did something like this more widely, even on pretty simple or low mort quest, just to give new players a chance to find out things on their own, but still get a hint if they get stuck, or still to get a starting point to the quest.--Shadowtop 22:10, 18 March 2012 (CDT)